This is the Emporer here
does anyone play any mmorpgs here?

I hate MMORPG's. They stole my little brother away from me.

Bazza wrote:I hate MMORPG's. They stole my little brother away from me.

I can see this scenario turning into a movie about blutig VENGEANCE! "MMORPG's stole my little brother away from me, and now they're gonna PAY".

But anyways, I'm quite sure Ryan "Last Exile" Mendes can make a few comments about MMORPG's....

World of krieg handwerk - greatest game that will ever exist in the whole of humainty's occupation of this planet. Nuff said.

Last Exile wrote:World of krieg handwerk - greatest game that will ever exist in the whole of humainty's occupation of this planet. Nuff said.

Bzzt. Wrong answer.


FREELANCER is the best. Even if it is a Microsoft product.

you should play guild wars. its so much better, both graphically and gameplay. on top of being the most played internet game in europe and america, you dont have to pay a fee every month to play! and the latest update, NIGHTFALL, kicks ass.

WoW is too expensive and time consuming, seriously... No life lamos play it. And Guild Wars isn't really MMORPG, you only play with 7 other players at any one time, and I found it a bit slow. I can't think of any good MMORPG, WoW was good up to the point of raiding, it just got homosexuell from there. GW needs more salt.

When i feel like playing a MMORPG i go play guild wars its a good game.
I would try World of krieg handwerk if it was not for having to pay each month for it.

world of krieg handwerk suck, it is too slow, graphics suck with the detail of the world aswel as others, hate the game play and i could go on for ages but i wont. this is all comparing to guildwars whick is the number 1 worldly played game of earth and has alot more awards then wow and wow takes no skill compared to guildwars. guildwars factions graphics are better then wow and nightfalls graphics kick factions but so there is my opinion.

hey kitsune wat is ur username of guildwars we should meet online. pm me ur name if u want

Guild Wars and Everquest is for noob trash. L2P.

And asking to get continually updated content for free does not work. L2Business.

Stop flaming each other. Either come up with actual arguments or I lock the thread.

I play WoW and say it's a great game but if you one of those people who complain about the payment options, you could try playing Conquer Online or Linage 2.

Ryan White wrote:Stop flaming each other. Either come up with actual arguments or I lock the thread.

That's some quality advice on a topic like this. But yes, even I, with my dismal view of MMORPG's generally partake of a little nexuswars, mostly because some IRC'ers I know got me into it and it's one of the few MMORPG's dialups has to offer.

Word.

Fine. I believe in civility.

I generally don't like MMORPGs due to their graphics being too simple, the itemisation being too 1 dimensional, Ragnarik being too minderjährigen mädchen, or the rest of them being devoid of anything major left to do once you hit the endgame. I tried several before the one I currently play.

Look, I understand people don't want to pay a continual fee, that's fine. Here's something to think about though. You play one game to the end and get sick of it. A few months later, you buy another game. You buy something else for a different genre. Heck, people owning consoles or whatever get a large stack of games over a couple of year and pay a lot. With World of krieg handwerk, pay 40 bucks every 2 months to allow them to continually update the game, you get provided new endgame content so you don't get bored and have to buy a whole bunch of other games. How can a company finance continually updating a game if they don't get the finances to support that. I find this far better to getting involved in console wars, buying more than one of the versions and a dozen games to go with each.

I find World of krieg handwerk a highly social environment, relaxing, great visuals, great music. It's cracked 7 million copies sold and becoming the most successful online RPG ever for a reason.

Each to their own. Have fun playing the one you play, all the best.

PS. White, if you thought that was flaming, I suggest you read the Blackrock or Tichondrius forums. You don't know the meaning of the world until you delve into them.

Last Exile wrote:Fine. I believe in civility.

I generally don't like MMORPGs due to their graphics being too simple, the itemisation being too 1 dimensional, Ragnarik being too minderjährigen mädchen, or the rest of them being devoid of anything major left to do once you hit the endgame. I tried several before the one I currently play.

Look, I understand people don't want to pay a continual fee, that's fine. Here's something to think about though. You play one game to the end and get sick of it. A few months later, you buy another game. You buy something else for a different genre. Heck, people owning consoles or whatever get a large stack of games over a couple of year and pay a lot. With World of krieg handwerk, pay 40 bucks every 2 months to allow them to continually update the game, you get provided new endgame content so you don't get bored and have to buy a whole bunch of other games. How can a company finance continually updating a game if they don't get the finances to support that. I find this far better to getting involved in console wars, buying more than one of the versions and a dozen games to go with each.

I find World of krieg handwerk a highly social environment, relaxing, great visuals, great music. It's cracked 7 million copies sold and becoming the most successful online RPG ever for a reason.

Each to their own. Have fun playing the one you play, all the best.

PS. White, if you thought that was flaming, I suggest you read the Blackrock or Tichondrius forums. You don't know the meaning of the world until you delve into them.

Hmm thats a half full glass point of view from last exile, however I tell you the half-empty glass point of view.

The problem with WOW, is like what people say. It's fun until you reach level 60 then the whole thing just falls flat on the face. Raiding is the crappiest misinterpeted word in MMORPG thing alive (RAIDING DOESNT MEAN SPENDING 6HRS IN A blutig DUNGEON), migrated from EQ2, raiding suppose to be a fun environment with lots of options. However raiding just boils down to unpaid factory work with just pressing 3-4 buttons in a sequence every encounter. Since WOW is suppose to be for the casual gamer, how come it takes at least in blocks of 5-8 hours to do a raid fully (you dont have the right to deny this Mendez, I've watched you play)? This is to get the high level stuff to compete in PVP, which is in itself just as boring.

Also another problem in Raiding is that you have talent trees, one specializing in slaughtering boring monsters, one to nuke players, one thats generally scheiße. Everyone expects you to be a pve spec, if you are not you are instantly kicked out the guild/cant raid with them to obtain the special items for PVP. So essentially you can only experience one aspect of the game, why am I paying 20 bucks a month to enjoy one part the game, shouldnt I be able to enjoy both without changing specs (which can cost an upwards of 50g (about 3 hrs of farming))?

There's a simple solution to this, either combined the scheiße tree, so 2 trees become useful in both, or have a PVE tree and a PVP tree which you can switch at a whim but it wont happen because there are 7 million players who think its fine, until the majority of them hit 60 and quit.

Note: What they probably mean by players in WOW, is the same as being in employment rates. If your characters have played 1 hr with a working year then your considered a player, same with being employment rates (regardless how it is done) e.g If you worked at least 1hr a week even if your on the dole, you considered employed.

Raiding generally sucks, its suppose to be fun but you end up finding out the true reason why people raid and their true feelings amongst other people. Almost every raiders view is that their class is top and everyone else is scheiße. Its me me me not share and share alike since avatars are generally faceless generic people they can get away with this.

In GW the most time spent in a PVP War is usually 45 mins, in WOW it can go anywhere from 1hr to infinity, I have seen situations myself where AV has been going on for at least 24+. You also have to change specs otherwise the team generally gets slaughter which can cost you in the upwards of 50g. Then you have these "PROS" on the WOW forums pretending that being PRO in WOW leads to a good life, like all the girls will want you, or that your a football star WTFOMGBBQ.

There are problems with this being PRO in WOW means that your homosexuell.
1. Only men read the forums.
2. So you want to impress men.

Sure your paying like 40 bucks a month but at least with an actual game you dont have to be on 8 hr blocks a day and become a hikkimori.

Raganarok is the only true MMORPG for a casual gamer because it doesnt take 1 hr to get a group, you can stop playing for like weeks and wont be left behind by other guildmates and the items are randomize and sellable so everyone has at least a chance to gain the item they are looking for. Also the classes are not typecast in the game, so you can actually do a different build and it will probably still be viable for PVP and PVE.

Pirate Man wrote:

Last Exile wrote:Fine. I believe in civility.

I generally don't like MMORPGs due to their graphics being too simple, the itemisation being too 1 dimensional, Ragnarik being too minderjährigen mädchen, or the rest of them being devoid of anything major left to do once you hit the endgame. I tried several before the one I currently play.

Look, I understand people don't want to pay a continual fee, that's fine. Here's something to think about though. You play one game to the end and get sick of it. A few months later, you buy another game. You buy something else for a different genre. Heck, people owning consoles or whatever get a large stack of games over a couple of year and pay a lot. With World of krieg handwerk, pay 40 bucks every 2 months to allow them to continually update the game, you get provided new endgame content so you don't get bored and have to buy a whole bunch of other games. How can a company finance continually updating a game if they don't get the finances to support that. I find this far better to getting involved in console wars, buying more than one of the versions and a dozen games to go with each.

I find World of krieg handwerk a highly social environment, relaxing, great visuals, great music. It's cracked 7 million copies sold and becoming the most successful online RPG ever for a reason.

Each to their own. Have fun playing the one you play, all the best.

PS. White, if you thought that was flaming, I suggest you read the Blackrock or Tichondrius forums. You don't know the meaning of the world until you delve into them.

Hmm thats a half full glass point of view from last exile, however I tell you the half-empty glass point of view.

The problem with WOW, is like what people say. It's fun until you reach level 60 then the whole thing just falls flat on the face. Raiding is the crappiest misinterpeted word in MMORPG thing alive (RAIDING DOESNT MEAN SPENDING 6HRS IN A blutig DUNGEON), migrated from EQ2, raiding suppose to be a fun environment with lots of options. However raiding just boils down to unpaid factory work with just pressing 3-4 buttons in a sequence every encounter. Since WOW is suppose to be for the casual gamer, how come it takes at least in blocks of 5-8 hours to do a raid fully (you dont have the right to deny this Mendez, I've watched you play)? This is to get the high level stuff to compete in PVP, which is in itself just as boring.

Also another problem in Raiding is that you have talent trees, one specializing in slaughtering boring monsters, one to nuke players, one thats generally scheiße. Everyone expects you to be a pve spec, if you are not you are instantly kicked out the guild/cant raid with them to obtain the special items for PVP. So essentially you can only experience one aspect of the game, why am I paying 20 bucks a month to enjoy one part the game, shouldnt I be able to enjoy both without changing specs (which can cost an upwards of 50g (about 3 hrs of farming))?

There's a simple solution to this, either combined the scheiße tree, so 2 trees become useful in both, or have a PVE tree and a PVP tree which you can switch at a whim but it wont happen because there are 7 million players who think its fine, until the majority of them hit 60 and quit.

Note: What they probably mean by players in WOW, is the same as being in employment rates. If your characters have played 1 hr with a working year then your considered a player, same with being employment rates (regardless how it is done) e.g If you worked at least 1hr a week even if your on the dole, you considered employed.

Raiding generally sucks, its suppose to be fun but you end up finding out the true reason why people raid and their true feelings amongst other people. Almost every raiders view is that their class is top and everyone else is scheiße. Its me me me not share and share alike since avatars are generally faceless generic people they can get away with this.

In GW the most time spent in a PVP War is usually 45 mins, in WOW it can go anywhere from 1hr to infinity, I have seen situations myself where AV has been going on for at least 24+. You also have to change specs otherwise the team generally gets slaughter which can cost you in the upwards of 50g. Then you have these "PROS" on the WOW forums pretending that being PRO in WOW leads to a good life, like all the girls will want you, or that your a football star WTFOMGBBQ.

There are problems with this being PRO in WOW means that your homosexuell.
1. Only men read the forums.
2. So you want to impress men.

Sure your paying like 40 bucks a month but at least with an actual game you dont have to be on 8 hr blocks a day and become a hikkimori.

Raganarok is the only true MMORPG for a casual gamer because it doesnt take 1 hr to get a group, you can stop playing for like weeks and wont be left behind by other guildmates and the items are randomize and sellable so everyone has at least a chance to gain the item they are looking for. Also the classes are not typecast in the game, so you can actually do a different build and it will probably still be viable for PVP and PVE.

Should have started with "I beleive in uncivility" Pirate boy

Anyway, why can't people accept that there is no perfect video game created for everyone to love. WoW has a huge fan base because they can all afford both time and money to play and continuing playing till their life's end. Look at Halo, huge fan base, but everyone I talk to won't touch Halo if it was covered in honey and cunningly disguised as Eva Longoria. Last Exile obviously adores the idea of killing time raiding 6 hours at a time in some crappy dungeon (lols wipes 5 times). Other people prefer Ragnorak because it's a much smaller world without all the glitz and glammer of WoW (including the $20 per month fee). I loved soloing WoW, but the end game calls for raiding, I could have kept soloing though, and joined Pugs and lvled my character that way. You don't have to raid for years to come to get good gear, and most of that gear is PvE, has nothing to do with PvP. The game provides choices, you PvE with some nub guild (lols Inqusition) or you solo/party PvP in AV/AB/WSG.

I tried to introduce RTS to Last Exile a week back, but he refuses to play because he calls it 'boring' and 'slow'. But I've watched you play WoW man, you sit there longer than a statue on ritilin. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just remember that mine is the only right one

Get some friends and play the game, that's what it's meant for!

I would like to drink my glass that is full I must say.

End-game raiding sucked with Molten Core and Blackwing Lair due to the blandness and style of fights involved. They were too similar. Only Vaelstrasz with his cycling player bombs requires a decisive 2 minute zerg to down him had any ingenuity. Ahn'Qiraj was a step in the right direction with more intellectually stimulating fights like Twin Emperors, Ouro and C'Thun. They required very specific class roles, constant communication and brains. Naxxramas is a proper instance because each fight is nothing like the rest in there and force classes to do things they don't usually do, they made proper orchestral scores for the music, they worked hard on the atmosphere and trying to make a fun instance. Healing zerg of Patchwerk, Frogger-style jumbling with Grobbulus, Frankenstein meets high school physics in Thaddius, the Holocaust revived with Heigan, priests being forced to tank Razuvious.

The PvP system is being made fairer in the expansion. Instead of having to go hardcore 12 hour days days for 13-14 weeks to get the good gear, they're using a points system instead with no decay system applying anymore. Any points you get are permanent until you spend them. There are going to be 20 non-raid style instances so people that aren't in top guilds have more to do.

Each to their own.

okay, help me out here. Exactly how is "zerg" used as a verb, because I could have sworn that it was the name of a race from Starcraft.

Ryan White wrote:okay, help me out here. Exactly how is "zerg" used as a verb, because I could have sworn that it was the name of a race from Starcraft.

It's used as a verb in the same way "rush" is. Ovbiously came out of the fact the Zerg in Starcraft could rush in like 5 minutes and kill their oppenents. Unfortunately used in completely the wrong context here, I think Last means to say "DPS", a WoW term. Also there is nothing fast about WoW, period. So using the word "zerg" is completely incorrect, grammatically based on its historical context.

In WoW terms, zerging simply refers to killing something ASAP when you no longer have adds, aggro or debuffs to contend with.

Classic example would be Patchwerk. You have 7 minutes to kill him before he enrages and will 1 shot anything in sight. The upside is no damage class can possibly pull aggro from the warrior. You just have to go all out for 7 minutes and pull off the damage in time. That and spam healing through the fastest attacking thing ever for something 1000 tons and hitting 4 people at once. DPS classes don't have to worry. They can go all out without worry. I.e. Zerg.

Yall should be playing Freelancer. Did you know that you have a clan leader in your midst?

Last Exile wrote:In WoW terms, zerging simply refers to killing something ASAP when you no longer have adds, aggro or debuffs to contend with.

Classic example would be Patchwerk. You have 7 minutes to kill him before he enrages and will 1 shot anything in sight. The upside is no damage class can possibly pull aggro from the warrior. You just have to go all out for 7 minutes and pull off the damage in time. That and spam healing through the fastest attacking thing ever for something 1000 tons and hitting 4 people at once. DPS classes don't have to worry. They can go all out without worry. I.e. Zerg.

I've highlighted a major problem with MMORPGs. A common misconception by all MMORPG players is that they begin to think everyone plays these games and that everyone understands the terminology, items, characters, or even the story. WTH is a "Patchwerk"!!!? They can mess up your mind if you're there for too long I guess and reality becomes just as warped as that last episode of Family Guy I saw

Oh yeah, that crappy current affairs program aptly named "A Current Affairs" on... dare I suggest anyone to watch... channel 9 is doing a "piece" (not a report) on a kid "addicted" to WoW. Tuesday night, 6:30pm. It's better than Neighbours I guess... (insert puke smiley)

Anyway, my main point was that as with any sub culture, terminology is created and mutilated for its own purposes. Like "otaku" it's actual meaning being changed to specifically target Anime Fans/Freaks.

Reading through this thread makes me feel better about my Internet use and my social life.

Atory wrote:Reading through this thread makes me feel better about my Internet use and my social life.

I'm not trying to throw off anyone off the idea of playing MMORPGs. The basic idea of a social gaming environment exists, unfortunately everyone decides to live in their fantasy worlds and be a butthole. As with every fantastic idea there'll always be, dare I say, the major ficken ups. Take Windows for example, Mac OS, XBox, Windows XP Service Pack 2 (I can't play my games no more!), Xbox 360 and so on. WoW can be social, if you can get your close friends to play, like I managed for a little while, but server discrepincy caused lots of problems with playing together . But playing with Internet randoms just calls for pain and unsocial behaviour.

Please, if you do play MMORPGs, remember the real people in the world who love you... no not me, I'm not you're father.

I've only played one MMORPG and only for 4 hours tops. I much prefer to play multiplayer console games with my friends... that's why I created UniSAGA.

I don't understand how someone can actually get addicted to MMORPGs?

Atory wrote:I've only played one MMORPG and only for 4 hours tops. I much prefer to play multiplayer console games with my friends... that's why I created UniSAGA.

I don't understand how someone can actually get addicted to MMORPGs?

When people are either scared of reality, running from something, or just a down right loser I guess. MMORPGs provide a hyper-reality for those who want it. I don't know all the psychological jargon behind it, but truly there is no place like real life.

Anyway, Atory PM me about UniSAGA sounds fun The Adealide Uni Game Club is dull, everytime I pass it by it's Naruto or Soul Calibar, I need better games!

I liked WoW because it was a challenge at first, same with GW, but it becomes a chore at times, for some it becomes just as important as air (and in that sense sex), not getting any can be fatal to your health. RPGs always offered new challenges, but WoW gets repetative and unimaginative essentially. But some see it differently as a new and ever changing world. Changes in WoW are just as, or more, significant than changes in real life to real people/things.

I need challenges, not a substitute for life. Others need the latter, and that is why they become addicted I guess. People who have lives (in the colloquial sense of the term) probably won't get addicted, but this is all speculation. People likely to get "addicted" (using it loosely because I disagree with how some people use the term) would be life's losers; school children with little life outside their computers, salary men with unhappy repetative jobs or wives, doll bludgers with no hope of a career, etc. People with generally low and unhappy lives.

I only do it 3-4 days a week these days. I'm not one of those guys that spends 16 hours a day on it 7 days a week.

EDIT: For an example of a 16 hour, 7 days a week addict - Current Affair 6:30pm tonight.

I'm not sure, even if I was interested in playing MMORPG's, that I'd want to use up that much of my finite lifespan doing something that, occasionally, looks as much like work as in that strange, esoteric concept called Real Life.

I also remember the Rage and Fury of my brother's girlfriend when she discovered he'd shelled out three grand to buy items from someone in one of these games. Considering how tight $$$ have been for them over the last couple of years, and the fact that they're about to have a human addition to the household, I'm surprised I didn't slap the dummkopf sideways meself....

Indeed. That's pretty low. That's mirroring behaviour patterns seen with junkies of a lot of other types of addictions - gambling, drugs, high life, etc. Throwing away one's conscience/morality over a game is just insane. For a person that does that, the only sane thing to do is to walk away. The point of a game is for it to be fun. It isn't meant to dominate your life.

Last Exile wrote:It isn't meant to dominate your life.

Nor is it meant to take you away from classes, lol. Stay in school kids. MMORPGs aren't hazardous to your health, till you realise you're malnurished and are suffering from muscular degeneration.

(Anyway, that A Current Affairs report was just c-r-a-p.)

Seven Of Four wrote:(Anyway, that A Current Affairs report was just c-r-a-p.)

Well that makes a refreshing change from their usually high standards.

Geez no wonder he rages so much, the noob only had Lightforge Shoulders after playing more than I ever could.

Kick his parents in for being slackers imo.

Mappy wrote:

Seven Of Four wrote:
(Anyway, that A Current Affairs report was just c-r-a-p.)

Well that makes a refreshing change from their usually high standards.

I know I know, unless it's SBS or ABC it's not a news show.

Last Exile wrote:Geez no wonder he rages so much, the noob only had Lightforge Shoulders after playing more than I ever could.

Kick his parents in for being slackers imo.

Right... missing the point, classic MMORPG overdose syndrome.

Anyway, parents have the power to stop their children from playing, if they just learn to keep up with 'trends'. WoW has "parental control" function, so the game can be unplayable during certain times of the day. Parents blame multinational corporations, game manufacturers, television producers and film directors, but parents have the ultimate repsonsibility of their childrens lives, even after that whole 18 legal adult age crap. The kid is living at home, using his MOTHER'S BROADBAND and his MOTHER'S COMPUTER bought with his MOTHER'S MONEY. He has no money because he does not have a job, nor receives AusStudy (or whatever it's called).

(Agreed with Last Exile first time on the forums lol)

As for the kids anger issues... he's a male teenager... they all have anger issues, egos, etc. and has nothing to do with the fact that he is an undergeared Paladin... or Warrior, whatever plate wearing class.

I won't rant more because I'm at my limit of sense and composure.

Such a state of mind puts you in a better way than most people, regardless.

ChinaControl could work as well. He can only play 3 hours then must not play for the next 5 hours.

Last Exile wrote:Such a state of mind puts you in a better way than most people, regardless.

ChinaControl could work as well. He can only play 3 hours then must not play for the next 5 hours.

As if internet cafes aren't doing bad enough. With laws like China Crazy anti-gamer plan they'd all close down, then how would you play WoW?

Last Exile wrote:I only do it 3-4 days a week these days. I'm not one of those guys that spends 16 hours a day on it 7 days a week.

EDIT: For an example of a 16 hour, 7 days a week addict - Current Affair 6:30pm tonight.

but I guess your playing at 8hr at a time. Its almost a full time job for you and there are numerous problems with that. Like I said its like factory work and you aint earning any money for it, which the time could be used for looking for a job, doing your homework, and soso. Even you may say well "playing cards" is a waste of time but at least you get human interaction instead of staring at a screen 8 hrs straight.

You say your enjoying it but wait till you stopped enjoying. You realised you wasted all this time to get numerous purple items which only improve you damage output/reduce damage intake by a level. It helps you PVP widely, well you really need to put in the time to PVP now. Anyone without remotely any purples will get owned by a manner of seconds. Regardless you need to raid => to PVP => grab the items for PVP then what? Stand in the middle of ironforge looking shiny all day, polishing your fire hydrant to passer bys?

Seven Of Four wrote:As for the kids anger issues... he's a male teenager... they all have anger issues, egos, etc. and has nothing to do with the fact that he is an undergeared Paladin... or Warrior, whatever plate wearing class.

The human brain doesn't really stop developing until the age of 23. This pathetic individual still has a malformed cerebrum for another half a decade. Unfortunately, his parents sound like their brains have been a "work in progress" for years. Probably the product of watching shows like A Current Affair.

Unfortunately, by this example, my brain has been stuck in its current state for 14 years. Yes, this is as good as I'm ever going to get.

[size=0]And I have to be careful when attempting to quote someone else, now that I'm a moderator.... I accidentally ended up editing Tarrant's post rather than replying to it.... Managed to fix it, I hope.[/size]

4-5 hours actually, jason.

For anyone who wants to see the story (it is a *swear word deleted by admin* laugh):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8hfK3RQs2g

Last Exile wrote:4-5 hours actually, jason.

For anyone who wants to see the story (it is a *swear word deleted by admin* laugh):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8hfK3RQs2g

Its funny but in some essence its true but I like the 10 minutes of researching. Why do you think people refer EQ as Evercrack? and remember WOW have programmers who previously worked on EQ working on their side. So if you bag out EQ your essentially bagging out WOW .

Draenor, his server, is giving him so much crap. 2 pages of that server's forums are all about him, there's payout guilds spamming jokes about him. Mind you, his mum and her hosue get paid out even more. 10 silver to fix their walls, lol.

Last Exile wrote:Draenor, his server, is giving him so much crap. 2 pages of that server's forums are all about him, there's payout guilds spamming jokes about him. Mind you, his mum and her hosue get paid out even more. 10 silver to fix their walls, lol.

They took the story off =( mew. I wanna see the mürrisch Kid and her mom cry again. Oh and the pages were taken off now, cause the poor kid didnt stand a chance.

ACA and Ch9 lawsuits inc.

Only Nein would defend their own crappy material. This is the channel that shafted Rome after two weeks when it proved too highbrow for its audience.

Mappy wrote:Only Nein would defend their own crappy material. This is the channel that shafted Rome after two weeks when it proved too highbrow for its audience.

That's what you get for putting the former president of COLLINGWOOD in charge.

Which is why 20 to 1 is still airing. With a large number of repeats that, strangely enough, even though they were originally hosted by Bud Tingwell somehow now have this strange man with a face that has seen one too many operations.

At least Bud Tingwell had the facial musculature to raise a cynical eyebrow at the drivel he was being paid to present.

Mappy wrote:Which is why 20 to 1 is still airing. With a large number of repeats that, strangely enough, even though they were originally hosted by Bud Tingwell somehow now have this strange man with a face that has seen one too many operations.

At least Bud Tingwell had the facial musculature to raise a cynical eyebrow at the drivel he was being paid to present.

Bert's only living tissue is his lips.

Please, everybody knows that the hair is an alien organism controlling his long dead corpse and the reason it doesn't show facial movement is because of rigor mortis.

Ryan White wrote:Please, everybody knows that the hair is an alien organism controlling his long dead corpse and the reason it doesn't show facial movement is because of rigor mortis.

Yes, I do remember that Simpsons Halloween episode. So with that rationale, Daryl Sommers and Ray Martin are also walking undead.

You didn't know already?

Just seen the WOW epsiode on South Park .

Mendez is this you? It looks like a splitting image when I watch you play WOW when you get defeated.

No. Do I look white to you?

Now, now. No racism. Keep it civil. Mendes isn't bald either and e do't need to be picturing what each other look like in the small hous of the morning. Some images just don't disappear from the mind

Ryan White wrote:Now, now. No racism. Keep it civil. Mendes isn't bald either and e do't need to be picturing what each other look like in the small hous of the morning. Some images just don't disappear from the mind

It wasnt my fault it was South Park, I just watched the epsiode and said OMFG thats a splitting image of Ryan when I saw him playing WOW. Some of you dont have any imaginiation, just change his skin color and add some hari and bang its Ryan playing WOW in south park .

Pirate Man wrote:

Ryan White wrote:Now, now. No racism. Keep it civil. Mendes isn't bald either and e do't need to be picturing what each other look like in the small hous of the morning. Some images just don't disappear from the mind

It wasnt my fault it was South Park, I just watched the epsiode and said OMFG thats a splitting image of Ryan when I saw him playing WOW. Some of you dont have any imaginiation, just change his skin color and add some hari and bang its Ryan playing WOW in south park .

I could imgaine you and everyone else looking exactly like that watching anime or trolling forums.

Can someone PM me a place to 'view' this fabled episode? Cheers.

Last Exile wrote:I could imgaine you and everyone else looking exactly like that watching anime or trolling forums.

Even me?

Do people do anything else these days?

Last Exile wrote:
I could imgaine you and everyone else looking exactly like that watching anime or trolling forums.

Hmm I dont think it will refer to us, people who have lives ^^; since we can pause an anime and do something else unlike someone who plays an MMORPG sticks onto a computer nonstop. You have to watch it, im sorry Mendez, but your saying and referring that I created this classic epsiode and pwning you when its in fact an epsiode of SP (aint that sharp yet probably never will be) whinge to them about it not me ^^;.

I remember waaaay back in the mid 80 when NES, SNES and Mega drive was out, when playing them non stop was referring that the user has no life. Now the tides has shifted and playing such console does not mean you have no life, its playing MMORPG that signalifies you have no life, and people are trying to defend it as you may,

Pirate Man wrote:

Last Exile wrote:
I could imgaine you and everyone else looking exactly like that watching anime or trolling forums.

Hmm I dont think it will refer to us, people who have lives ^^; since we can pause an anime and do something else unlike someone who plays an MMORPG sticks onto a computer nonstop. You have to watch it, im sorry Mendez, but your saying and referring that I created this classic epsiode and pwning you when its in fact an epsiode of SP (aint that sharp yet probably never will be) whinge to them about it not me ^^;.

I remember waaaay back in the mid 80 when NES, SNES and Mega drive was out, when playing them non stop was referring that the user has no life. Now the tides has shifted and playing such console does not mean you have no life, its playing MMORPG that signalifies you have no life, and people are trying to defend it as you may,

With consoles the people you play with are next to you, with WoW the people you play with a balding, middle aged, sexually frustrated, men. Who you'd rather not meet.

You know, I really don't think we should be arguing who is the lowest on the scale of human worthiness, people who play MMORPGs or people who watch anime.

Because we all know we're above trekkies.

Mackellar, no WoW player has complained about the South Park episode. We love it and it's immortalised the game. I simply detest you calling me identical to that guy. Also ironic is the severity of your attack when you started playing WoW well before I did and the length of time you've played the game is longer than I have. Also is the fact you're contemplating going back in come expansion time. Acting superior and smart-alecking is just sickening. But then again, it's the usual for you. And spell my surname right, you crackhead.

Seven, you're no better when you're spamming Counterstrike: Source or DotA. Don't claim social superiority just because you decided to stop playing WoW. Those involve no social interaction either.

Last Exile wrote:Seven, you're no better when you're spamming Counterstrike: Source or DotA. Don't claim social superiority just because you decided to stop playing WoW. Those involve no social interaction either.

I deplore your putting words in my mouth. I never said that I was any better, nor do I lay claim to any social superiority. You're just making assumptions about how I feel on issues unstated, and that can be classed as defamation. What I have said relates directly to the questions and statments at hand, WoW and consoles games. I never ever said that CSS makes me a better person, what makes me a better person is the fact I don't make unsubstanciated assumptions about other people.

Dammit, you people just can't go without flaming each other can you?



This is the ranking for geeks. Note how all of you computer gamer all fall under the one heading. You're all as bad as each other.
Second warning, thread gets locked next time.

So Ryan you're the biggest geek here? LOL!

Suprisingly I'm mainly up the top of this hierarchy. The lowest level I'll reach is Roleplaying Gamers once we start Exalted.

Ryan White wrote:Dammit, you people just can't go without flaming each other can you?

This is the ranking for geeks. Note how all of you computer gamer all fall under the one heading. You're all as bad as each other.
Second warning, thread gets locked next time.

Thats made in 2002 dont you have an updated one? This is before the evoultion of MMORPGs become commonplace before the era of WOW.

Last Exile wrote:Also is the fact you're contemplating going back in come expansion time.

Hrrmmmm.... I said I was going to look at it, to see if they fix the game up. Thats if the expansion does ever get released, which I dont know when nor where they will do it. I never seen any improvements that you mention exsisting the game, nor do I see any improvements that will make it more friendly to the casual gamer so players dont have to spend 24hrs a day to play catch up.

Pirate Man wrote:

Last Exile wrote:Also is the fact you're contemplating going back in come expansion time.

Hrrmmmm.... I said I was going to look at it, to see if they fix the game up. Thats if the expansion does ever get released, which I dont know when nor where they will do it. I never seen any improvements that you mention exsisting the game, nor do I see any improvements that will make it more friendly to the casual gamer so players dont have to spend 24hrs a day to play catch up.

The game will never become fairer for those who don't play it excessively. Despite constant claims that lvl 70 blues will beat lvl 60 epics will just be overwhelmed by lvl 70 epics and those guilds that can raid for them. The game wasn't really designed for those with RL things to deal with, like jobs or study. And they can't really improve the game without overhauling it. The whole feeling of adventure died out with the systemic spamming of one instance till you reach max level. Killing the same boss over and over and over and over again to get one item just seems really really stupid. MMORPG's differ from RPG's, because RPG's you only get 1 crack at each boss and you have to do it right... or it's back to save point. The MMORPG takes away from the classic RPG the factors such as adventures and a learning curb about the environment. Spamming a dungeon or the same type of monster 100 000 000 000 000 times doesn't really give the game variety. You do Dead Mines once, you do Gnomeregan once, then you do Upper Black Rrock Spire, Lower Black Rock Sspire, Stratholme and Scholomance a million times till you get your drops. Then once you finally get your gear, you go to Molten Core, Black Wing Lair, An Quraj, and now Naxxrammas with raid groups till you get your drops. From Molten Core to Naxx you're looking at 6 hours of raiding straight and you might not even get your drop, or if you do it'll go to someone else, which means another week later you have to do it again.

There isn't much of world to explore if you have to do it in large groups of people buffed from head to toe with epic gear.

The game lacks an overwhelming story, it's just mindless spammage.

Bring back D&D, classic tabletop ownage.

Seven Of Four wrote:

The game will never become fairer for those who don't play it excessively. Despite constant claims that lvl 70 blues will beat lvl 60 epics will just be overwhelmed by lvl 70 epics and those guilds that can raid for them. The game wasn't really designed for those with RL things to deal with, like jobs or study. And they can't really improve the game without overhauling it. The whole feeling of adventure died out with the systemic spamming of one instance till you reach max level. Killing the same boss over and over and over and over again to get one item just seems really really stupid. MMORPG's differ from RPG's, because RPG's you only get 1 crack at each boss and you have to do it right... or it's back to save point. The MMORPG takes away from the classic RPG the factors such as adventures and a learning curb about the environment. Spamming a dungeon or the same type of monster 100 000 000 000 000 times doesn't really give the game variety. You do Dead Mines once, you do Gnomeregan once, then you do Upper Black Rrock Spire, Lower Black Rock Sspire, Stratholme and Scholomance a million times till you get your drops. Then once you finally get your gear, you go to Molten Core, Black Wing Lair, An Quraj, and now Naxxrammas with raid groups till you get your drops. From Molten Core to Naxx you're looking at 6 hours of raiding straight and you might not even get your drop, or if you do it'll go to someone else, which means another week later you have to do it again.

There isn't much of world to explore if you have to do it in large groups of people buffed from head to toe with epic gear.

The game lacks an overwhelming story, it's just mindless spammage.

Bring back D&D, classic tabletop ownage.

Game reminds of a certain game we used to play . Remember the good old days of that card game. Similar to that it needs a major overhaul like you said .

Pirate Man wrote:

Seven Of Four wrote:

The game will never become fairer for those who don't play it excessively. Despite constant claims that lvl 70 blues will beat lvl 60 epics will just be overwhelmed by lvl 70 epics and those guilds that can raid for them. The game wasn't really designed for those with RL things to deal with, like jobs or study. And they can't really improve the game without overhauling it. The whole feeling of adventure died out with the systemic spamming of one instance till you reach max level. Killing the same boss over and over and over and over again to get one item just seems really really stupid. MMORPG's differ from RPG's, because RPG's you only get 1 crack at each boss and you have to do it right... or it's back to save point. The MMORPG takes away from the classic RPG the factors such as adventures and a learning curb about the environment. Spamming a dungeon or the same type of monster 100 000 000 000 000 times doesn't really give the game variety. You do Dead Mines once, you do Gnomeregan once, then you do Upper Black Rrock Spire, Lower Black Rock Sspire, Stratholme and Scholomance a million times till you get your drops. Then once you finally get your gear, you go to Molten Core, Black Wing Lair, An Quraj, and now Naxxrammas with raid groups till you get your drops. From Molten Core to Naxx you're looking at 6 hours of raiding straight and you might not even get your drop, or if you do it'll go to someone else, which means another week later you have to do it again.

There isn't much of world to explore if you have to do it in large groups of people buffed from head to toe with epic gear.

The game lacks an overwhelming story, it's just mindless spammage.

Bring back D&D, classic tabletop ownage.

Game reminds of a certain game we used to play . Remember the good old days of that card game. Similar to that it needs a major overhaul like you said .

Yeah I do... playing that was like being on crack; but atleast the latter makes you feel good.

Yep at least it was fun, WOW on the otherhand was more like a chore or more or less I described as a Job. Though I can see why people quit even if they have a full set of epics, its neverending. Your spending at least 6 hrs a day to even get a piece of equipment to be on top of people in pvp and even when you finally get the godly equipment all there is left is to sit around Ironforge all day listen to ppl call each other idioits, noobs, ninjas etc. What really ups my nerve is the way they never let ppl catch up with the equipment and there is real no rewards for doing it first.

What they done was MC(equip) soulbound -> BWL soulbound -> AQ soulbound -> Nax soulbound.

If they done it like this it would be much more better

MC BOE (when BWL comes out) -> BWL BOE (AQ comes out) -> AQ BOE (when Nax comes out) -> Nax BOE ( when BC comes out).

easy system.

1. Expansion is out late November.
2. Beta testing is being made available.
3. Bind on equipping everything would ruin end game instancing and the point of it. Nihilium, Death & Taxes, Risen, Eminence - those guilds could get through progression first then sell off drops to the highest bidder, essentialy turning the game into Chinese farming and eBay framing. The point of getting better gear is you actually have to play the game for a reasonable amount. Gold farming is done by Chinese, Hong Kong and Singapore people working in sweat shop conditions for 12-16 hours a day to get some person the west gold, while they get minimum wage and work in crap conditions. There's a reason why most items are bind on pickup, Mackellar. You need to appreciate that.
4. Good guilds can progress well without playing hardcore. Risen only play 4 days a week and they were the 2nd guild across all the servers to clear Naxxramas. A lot of guilds are made of adults that work and can't raid every day but still do damn fine.
5. People that are skilled can do even the hardest instances in quick time. A great guild can clear Blackwing Lair in under 3 hours, take 2 3-4 hour raids for Ahn'Qiraj, half of Naxxramas can be cleared in 1 night if you play properly and efficiently. Crap players/ninjas should not be rewarded for poor skill. If you can't instance, there are plenty of rep quests available for epics that are easy. The recent battleground cross-sever merging has made rep farming a lot easier, especially in Alterac Valley.
6. The current honour system is flawed, I completely agree. That is why the expansion system is a points system rather than needing to farm ranks and play ridiculous amounts of PvP. The new system is aimed to make any items accessible. Plus with around 25 instances available in the expansion from the moment you enter Outland, I don't think people are going to be complaining about items. I think there will be a flood of noobs with epics.
7. Seven, some people like solitude. They don't deserve to be demonised for that. Personally, I don't call lingo spamming while consoling or trash talk while partying/drinking as proper social interaction. people have different poisons and way to burn their money. Spending the weekend clubbing/partying/drinking can't exactly be classified as constructive. The people I see around Rundle Street and Hindley Street on weekend freely admit they blow several hundred dollars each weekend on such activity. Do I envy them or aspire to be like them? No blutig way. I think they're sending themselves on a one-way trip to oblivion. If they're going to screw up their lives, their fault and their choice. Less competition for wages, home loans, plus it'll decrease the surface population.

Last Exile wrote:7. Seven, some people like solitude. They don't deserve to be demonised for that. Personally, I don't call lingo spamming while consoling or trash talk while partying/drinking as proper social interaction. people have different poisons and way to burn their money. Spending the weekend clubbing/partying/drinking can't exactly be classified as constructive. The people I see around Rundle Street and Hindley Street on weekend freely admit they blow several hundred dollars each weekend on such activity. Do I envy them or aspire to be like them? No blutig way. I think they're sending themselves on a one-way trip to oblivion. If they're going to screw up their lives, their fault and their choice. Less competition for wages, home loans, plus it'll decrease the surface population.

We aint talking about my life or anyone else's for that matter. We're talking MMORPGs and their pros/cons. Please do try and stay on topic. Nor do I make any mention of it "ruining" people's lives. All I said was that it takes and enormous amount of time to accomplish things in the game. I never ever said that MMORPGs stole a peron's soul or kills their health (maybe the excessive sitting and staring into a screen, but that's a known medical fact). Don't bring in RL things into a discussion about MMORPGs and start comparing apples that falls off a tree and Shiny Red Apple that you eat to restore 61 health over 18 seconds while sitting.

Anyway, I have nothing against people and solitude, it's just that when people sit in front of a screen for so long it's UNHEALTHY. I'm all for video games and spammage and long nights, but only once in a while. I just see so many WoW playing for 24/7, that I can only imagine the state of their health. playing a games 7 days a week for a straight run of 4 hours on average a day can only be bad.

Ofcourse every now and again people are going to feel rejected by RL society, and WoW provides a world of solitude with a world of social interaction. But you shouldn't throw your life into it.

I'm sure I said this before, there are RL people who love you... please not me though.

Seven Of Four wrote:

Last Exile wrote:7. Seven, some people like solitude. They don't deserve to be demonised for that. Personally, I don't call lingo spamming while consoling or trash talk while partying/drinking as proper social interaction. people have different poisons and way to burn their money. Spending the weekend clubbing/partying/drinking can't exactly be classified as constructive. The people I see around Rundle Street and Hindley Street on weekend freely admit they blow several hundred dollars each weekend on such activity. Do I envy them or aspire to be like them? No blutig way. I think they're sending themselves on a one-way trip to oblivion. If they're going to screw up their lives, their fault and their choice. Less competition for wages, home loans, plus it'll decrease the surface population.

We aint talking about my life or anyone else's for that matter. We're talking MMORPGs and their pros/cons. Please do try and stay on topic. Nor do I make any mention of it "ruining" people's lives. All I said was that it takes and enormous amount of time to accomplish things in the game. I never ever said that MMORPGs stole a peron's soul or kills their health (maybe the excessive sitting and staring into a screen, but that's a known medical fact). Don't bring in RL things into a discussion about MMORPGs and start comparing apples that falls off a tree and Shiny Red Apple that you eat to restore 61 health over 18 seconds while sitting.

Anyway, I have nothing against people and solitude, it's just that when people sit in front of a screen for so long it's UNHEALTHY. I'm all for video games and spammage and long nights, but only once in a while. I just see so many WoW playing for 24/7, that I can only imagine the state of their health. playing a games 7 days a week for a straight run of 4 hours on average a day can only be bad.

Ofcourse every now and again people are going to feel rejected by RL society, and WoW provides a world of solitude with a world of social interaction. But you shouldn't throw your life into it.

I'm sure I said this before, there are RL people who love you... please not me though.

1. Yes, plenty of people play WoW 24/7. There's plenty that do the same with gambling, alcohol, drugs, card games, other video games, TV, anime, just about anything. There are plenty of people who do things in excess. Addiction/abuse is possible with almost anything in this world. A sad fact of human nature.
2. Yes, doing raiding like that every day is too much. I certainly don't do anywhere near that. Some people find a way I guess. There are those that still somehow balance proper jobs, higher level study or whatever with the game but most people playing that time either have lower end jobs or are unemployed.
3. WoW isn't a substitute for life and it shouldn't be an obsession. The moment it becomes that, either take a long break from the game or quit. I've seen too many people that have taken it too far.
4. I have several friends at university and get along with them fine. I enjoy interaction with them and AJAS people far more than the limited interaction of speaking to guildies via a screen or on a mic with ventrilo.

Last Exile wrote:1. Expansion is out late November.
2. Beta testing is being made available.
3. Bind on equipping everything would ruin end game instancing and the point of it. Nihilium, Death & Taxes, Risen, Eminence - those guilds could get through progression first then sell off drops to the highest bidder, essentialy turning the game into Chinese farming and eBay framing. The point of getting better gear is you actually have to play the game for a reasonable amount. Gold farming is done by Chinese, Hong Kong and Singapore people working in sweat shop conditions for 12-16 hours a day to get some person the west gold, while they get minimum wage and work in crap conditions. There's a reason why most items are bind on pickup, Mackellar. You need to appreciate that.
4. Good guilds can progress well without playing hardcore. Risen only play 4 days a week and they were the 2nd guild across all the servers to clear Naxxramas. A lot of guilds are made of adults that work and can't raid every day but still do damn fine.
5. People that are skilled can do even the hardest instances in quick time. A great guild can clear Blackwing Lair in under 3 hours, take 2 3-4 hour raids for Ahn'Qiraj, half of Naxxramas can be cleared in 1 night if you play properly and efficiently. Crap players/ninjas should not be rewarded for poor skill. If you can't instance, there are plenty of rep quests available for epics that are easy. The recent battleground cross-sever merging has made rep farming a lot easier, especially in Alterac Valley.
6. The current honour system is flawed, I completely agree. That is why the expansion system is a points system rather than needing to farm ranks and play ridiculous amounts of PvP. The new system is aimed to make any items accessible. Plus with around 25 instances available in the expansion from the moment you enter Outland, I don't think people are going to be complaining about items. I think there will be a flood of noobs with epics.

Mendez if you want me respond to your little triade, make sure you actually do the maths and think before posting false, if not irresponsible information like this. You've basically become a hypocrite saying "WOW is for everyone" by saying its all glits and glamour in your previous post to "Too many stupid noobs in WOW they plague the system" and "Chinese farming in other games are the result of free to equip items" which is 100% incorrect.

Oh, and another thing pointing out a game and its faults is not ironic , even "if" I do play it or thinking of coming back to see how the game turns out.

Then stop trashing people that do and stop referring to them like they're the scum of the earth. Because you are.

Last Exile wrote:Then stop trashing people that do and stop referring to them like they're the scum of the earth. Because you are.

I'll ingore what you say here cause you want me to say "your a $#@^ or something along those lines", re-read what you have just written in the previous post instead of flaming me for Chuck Norris sakes. Now there's a hint for you and connect the dots and dont put words in my mouth, all I done was dismemeber what you have said.

Remember what you said before in a certain card game, "its great to have people on the same level" this game does not represent that.

Last Exile wrote:Then stop trashing people that do and stop referring to them like they're the scum of the earth. Because you are.

Mendes, this puts you on warning. STOP FLAMING EACH OTHER!!!!!
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